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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 468 for the 8th of

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October 2017 richardsaunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia I'd better

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make this quick the show is a pretty

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jammed packed full to the brim full to

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the boot overflowing where's my

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thesaurus it's a big show starting the

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show is an interview with a very dear

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old friend of mine not to say that she's

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old that we've known each other for 10

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years so she's an old friend if you

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understand my meaning dr. pamela game

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dr. pamela gaye the astronomer whose

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speciality is variable stars variable

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stars today Pamela's going to tell us

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about a way you yes you you can help

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science by identifying pictures taken

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from space of Earth always a pleasure to

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chat to dr. Pamela Gaye and I'm sure

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you'll find this interesting and a way

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for you to help science then it's a

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report of the recent shonky Awards in

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the woods from choice magazine the

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consumer magazine here in Australia and

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a few days ago I attended their annual

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shonky Awards a chunk is something that

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doesn't really work as it's claimed to

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do or it's a bit dodgy or doesn't

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function or you get the idea

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the shonky awards my report and some

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interviews coming up a little bit later

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then a special Maynard spooky action

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Maynard and I attended a performance of

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Billy in the dinosaurs written by Tim

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Ferguson from the Doug Anthony all-stars

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and the bunga bunga podcast together

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with Jeff and David Willis now we went

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along to the Australian Museum where we

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perform the mystery investigators every

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year to see a performance of Billy in

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the dinosaurs which is really our very

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interactive show for little children and

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the reason we're bringing this to you

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today is part of the skeptic zones

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broader mandate of promoting good

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science and Tim Ferguson certainly made

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sure that

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the science in this wonderful kids story

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is as accurate as it can be when it

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involves Australian dinosaurs a bit of

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music a bit of fun coming up with Billy

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and the dinosaurs then another report

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from Iran sir give from the recent

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European skeptics Congress today a run

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talks to the Italian sceptic Massimo

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palador oh and with him James the

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amazing Randi amazing is right at 89 he

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still globe-trotting

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and speaking at various conventions in

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fact I look forward very much to seeing

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James Randi who only in a few weeks in

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Las Vegas then to round off the show

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another report from our dear friend

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susan gerbic from the guerrilla

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skepticism on wikipedia as she makes her

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way round Europe and feeling a bit left

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out here and today Susan talks to

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hum-hum 'la who is a nuclear physicist

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and a skeptic now just before we get

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stuck into this week's episode of the

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there'll be some more messages at the

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end of the show that you already know

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the Australian skeptics Tim Mendham and

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myself we have a late-night radio

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networked through the Macquarie Network

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and that's with Mike Williams and that's

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a lot of fun we've been doing that since

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another radio segment this one is on the

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talkin lifestyle Network and that used

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to be known as to UE for those Sydney

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listeners and I've already done a couple

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of those the first official one was

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broadcast last week I'll put a link in

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the show notes and the topic was

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astrology so more sceptics on the radio

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and I'm looking forward to seeing you

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all in late November the Australian

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skeptics National Convention in

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conjunction with think Inc the skeptic

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zone will be doing a live broadcast

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there or a live recording I should say

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and don't forget the the dinner the

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annual skeptics Australian skeptics

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dinner and you can find details about

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that dinner at skeptics dot-com dot a

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you tickets are filling up fast it's

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gonna be a fabulous night of magic and

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comedy and spoon

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and may not running around like a

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lunatic and the awarding of the skeptics

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awards including the annual bent spoon

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award I hope to see many skeptics own

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fans at our annual dinner when I say our

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annual denotes because I'm also a member

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of the Australian skeptics although the

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skeptic zone is an independent

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production as you probably know but now

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it's time for me to oh I almost forgot

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oh I can't believe very quickly a couple

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of days ago I lined up a little lunch

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date with Carl cruising whiskey so he

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and I can catch up and on the same day

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we organized for our dear friend Lera

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Benham who's on the Australian skeptics

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committee to spend the day with Carl

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Lara's a science teacher so I thought

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that was quite appropriate so when it

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out of the elevator walked Bill Nye and

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after I picked myself off the floor we

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had a nice lunch all together Wow

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bill Nyes here to do some talks around

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Australia and of course of course he

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could catch up with dr. Carl Kaczynski

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who is the the Australian Bill Nye and

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Curzon Hiskey what a day that was a very

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memorable lunch hmm so to honor that

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we're gonna run outside jump into my car

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or get onto the tram or something and

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head for a young char s taranta that's

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what we had in fact I might wait till

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after the show cuz that's a long way to

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you enjoy this sceptic zone

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and joining me now on the line all the

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way from Edwardsville in Illinois

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Illinois a state of yet to visit it's

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the one and only one of the brightest

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stars in the heavens surely dr. Pamela

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gay oh thank you for having me on such a

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warm introduction well I can't help

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think of stars when I think of you with

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your work in astronomy and variable

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stars just quickly Pamela and it's such

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a fascinating topic just for our people

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out there who are the audience who may

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not know what exactly is a variable star

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brightness for any one of myriad of

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supernova is a star that varies once

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the the ones I studied are called

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pulsating variable stars these are stars

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that over the course of anywhere from

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hours to two weeks gradually change in

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brightness and color somewhat beating

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things that a lot of people don't

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realize is that stars do they change and

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anyone who says that they want to love

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is a Keats quote they don't know what

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looking for a highly variable future oh

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guess it's something that we don't think

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about when we gaze up to the stars every

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now and then we just see these little

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points of light I mean they twinkle to

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our eye because of what astronomers call

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seeing which is the interference or the

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necessarily of our atmosphere playing

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star we see the moment-to-moment

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twinkling that's mostly caused by

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different temperature variations and

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but planets don't twinkle so when you

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say twinkle twinkle little star it

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probably actually is a star and not

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being this or Jupiter or Mars so but so

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on the shuttle or out in space or the

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Hubble telescope it sees stars somewhat

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differently with it more of a constant

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light oh yeah they don't have twinkling

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was get rid of all of that annoying

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atmospheric interference that's

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nothing to wish upon something exploding

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which again problems problems probably

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Pamela if I was in the Space Shuttle or

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the next generation whatever that may be

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and I'm whizzing around and I saw a star

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explode I think I would be concerned I I

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think that would be a valid concern but

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for the most part there's nothing close

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enough in danger of exploding that we

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actually have to worry what's kind of

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cool to think about is there's a few

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baitul juice which is just becoming

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visible this time of year to everyone in

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the globe you can see it I can see it in

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our two different hemispheres and and

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baled use that shoulder of Orion it

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could explode any moment there there's

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other style star Zeta Carina which only

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you can see down in your southern

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hemisphere and I can't it's a another

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one that's liable to explode at any

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moment but these stars are so far away

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that the only real problem we're gonna

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have is trying to get in the right place

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to take the best photo what's awesome is

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both will be visible during the day when

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they finally do this whether it be

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tomorrow or a million years from now

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that's interesting and when you say any

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moment now

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it's poss

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that is you and I are having this chat

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on what is what is it a Wednesday for me

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and I think it's the Tuesday for you

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that both these stars have indeed

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already exploded how long would it take

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for us to get that information oh I

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don't remember the exact distances of

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the two of them but I believe it's order

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of hundreds of light-years away which

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means we're looking across well how long

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both of our nation's have existed for

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the light to be able to travel to get to

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us if not longer

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so light takes time and we're always

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seeing things in the past and this is

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actually something you and I experiences

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we send our sound waves traveling at the

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speed of light as radio waves around the

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planet there's a delay from when I say

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something to when you hear it and from

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we speak and I'm able to hear your words

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and it's that constancy that well we can

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never see anything in the moment we're

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only ever seeing things in the past

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that's true I mean you're hearing me a

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fraction of a second after I speak and

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vice versa but when we say a fraction of

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a second it really is such a fraction of

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a second that it doesn't delay our

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conversation I seem to remember watching

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TV interviews when I was growing up and

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they say now we're hooking up on the

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satellite all the way to America and

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there was a noticeable delay it was

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interesting but it's getting shorter and

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shorter I guess that's just technology

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how we route things so it's it's where

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we put the technology as Eni speak we're

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actually using cables that go across the

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surface of the world once upon a time

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the the signals and this is what we

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still suffer with satellite trucks the

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the signals are going from the surface

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of the planet up to some communication

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satellite that is far far far away and

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we're getting half a second to a second

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of delay just in the travel time to get

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to these distant communication

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satellites it's really much faster to

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wrap a wire around the world

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it's a strange thought to think that

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what you're saying what I'm saying now

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crawling through cables physically

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through cables we're disturbing the fish

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we must be the sorry I'm sorry sorry to

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the fish but let's not talk about fish

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let's keep our eyes gazed up towards the

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heavens and I want to talk to you about

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a project I've just heard about which

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sounds very exciting and this is how

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every skeptic zone listener can come to

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your assistance here and this is to do

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with photographs taken by astronauts

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please tell us more it's true

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so at cosmic West org we have a variety

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of science projects that anyone out

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there with a computer and an internet

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connection can get involved in and and

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we do require you to use a computer so

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that you have big pixels in front of

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your eyeballs and can get highly

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accurate results and with some of our

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projects that I've talked about before

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we're mapping out other worlds well this

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time we're mapping out our own world our

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own planet Earth we've had astronauts

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from 18 different nations orbiting above

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us on the International Space Station

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and from their vantage point 250 miles

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up they have an amazing view of our

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planet they've been able to image

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everything from the wild flowers in the

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California desert finally blooming this

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year with all of the rainfall California

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gotten in the spring to seeing the

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varying AB and flow of material flying

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out of the Mississippi River when we get

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our springtime floods and seeing the

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changing desert in Saudi Arabia that

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sometimes the high desert will get snow

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and we have all these amazing things

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captured in photos and the astronauts

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who are amazing brilliant awesome human

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beings do not label their photos because

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I guess they've got other things on

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their mind it's true so we have 1.5

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million photos oh boy oh boy we we know

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where the space station was

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when the photos were taken so we know

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what is straight down from the camera

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yeah

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but the view is good from up there

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there's a whole lot planet they can see

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from up there so this is where we need

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everyone out there helping us label

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these photos so that they can be used

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for science so that they can be used for

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photojournalism and investigative

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reporting and school projects looking at

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city sprawl and lights at night and so

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many different things are possible with

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these photos if we can just get all of

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them labeled and and what's cool is I

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have learned that people who fly

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airplanes and do map things as a hobby

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are way better at this than I an

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astrophysicist will ever be well that

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doesn't surprise me necessarily I guess

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they're sort of used to it in a way but

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it sounds like something that everybody

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could get used to it's true and I didn't

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think it would would happen but the more

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I do this the better I get at it and

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people who start out from that

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familiarity of flying planes they'll get

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it much much faster but anyone out there

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no matter what they do as long as

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they're careful it's just this crazy

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game of Where's Waldo except well what I

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was playing earlier today was where is

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this lake in Chile and so far we've

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stumbled across images ranging from the

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the Straits of Gibraltar to Argentinian

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glaciers to Nantes France at night to

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farm fields in Virginia the whole world

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is captured in these photos and we just

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need everyone out there to help us find

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the place in the world these photos are

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depicting this sounds absolutely

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fascinating and I promise you as soon as

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we wrap this up I'm going to go straight

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on to Cosmo quest org and I will of

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course pay the

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killer interest and attention to the

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photographs from Australia which must be

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stunning they are but we don't know

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which ones are Australia until you

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identify them for us ah there's the

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trick now I truly understand that's

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fascinating it's almost like a cosmic

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jigsaw puzzle isn't it is so big and

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it's it really is like playing Where's

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Waldo except you're not always looking

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for the red and white striped hat in

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this dizzy field sometimes yeah it's

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it's hard but these images are so

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beautiful our planet is so beautiful and

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some of these images are actually the

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astronauts not looking down but looking

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out and so we found photos of comets

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photos of the large and small Magellanic

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Clouds there's so many different things

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that they've been able to see over the

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years and now we can see - that sounds

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absolutely beautiful again I will look

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as soon as we wrap this up it sounds

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fascinating so all the skeptics our

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listeners can pitch in and in and if

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people would only spend you know some

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little amount of time every week

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perusing these beautiful photographs

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they can all add to our scientific

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understanding that that is entirely true

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and our own planet in a lot of ways is

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the most important world we can try and

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understand and these photos get it

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everything from when - the flowers bloom

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- how do the tides affect where the

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reefs appear close to the surface Wow

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this is this is absolutely fascinating

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Pamela - you're wetting my appetite

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folks this is the the clue for you head

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for Cosmo quest org I shall link to that

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in the show notes now Pamela of course

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people will know you very well from

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astronomy cast the long-running the

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long-running podcast and I have been

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very proudly advertising astronomy cast

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from I think the first week or two of

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the skeptic zone podcast so or coming up

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for 10 years but sad oh it's very sad

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can't run the promo anymore because

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you've sort of changed your your job

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title I think I have and I'm going to

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record you a new promo tomorrow I

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promise in in January I switch jobs I am

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now the director of technology and

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citizen science for the Astronomical

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Society of the Pacific and it's

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important to remember here that this is

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an international organization so even

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though I live in the middle of the

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United States we're still a Pacific

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nation here in the United States just

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like you there in Australia are Pacific

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salutely yeah so we are here

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internationally working to engage people

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in learning and doing science and and

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this is a society that's been around for

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over a hundred years and found its

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origins in the solar eclipse where

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because it was the amateur astronomers

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who were first learning how to use

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photographic equipment and take Astro

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photographs of the eclipsing Sun they

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were the ones that captured those photos

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that were needed to understand a solar

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eclipse shortly after the technology

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came into existence so the entire

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organization started out of pro-am

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collaboration which fits for me because

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it's kind of what I do for a living

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that's again absolutely you do such

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interesting stuff and and quickly what's

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the the website it's it's Astro society

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dot o-r-g and and it's a society which

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means that anyone out there can join and

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be part of our educational mission and

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our scientific mission to advance our

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understanding of the universe that's

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what I like to hear I like to advance

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our understanding of the universe in any

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way we can and folks are linked to all

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those fascinating websites in this

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week's show notes and undoubtedly Pamela

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all our listeners won't be able to hear

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next week's show course I'll be so busy

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cataloging photographs

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you can listen to this show

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Wow you can log photographs this is the

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awesome use your use your brain to

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listen use your brain to find things but

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that acade eyes and ears separately

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Pamela gay dr. Pamela gay such a

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pleasure to talk with you again we must

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do this more regularly you're such a

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fascinating person to talk to I am

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envious about the wonderful things you

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get to see and you get to explore well

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thank you it's it's always a pleasure

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and we do need to do this more often

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thank you so much as always for having

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me on it's really a pleasure hi this is

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dr. Pamela Gay from astronomy cast each

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week Fraser Cain and I take our

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listeners on a fact-based journey

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through the cosmos with our weekly

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podcast we explain not just what we know

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but how we know what we know about this

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universe that we share check us out at

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astronomy cast calm and look for us in

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itunes google play and where ever you

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download podcasts see online

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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on Thursday the 5th of October I

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attended the annual choice magazines

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xiangqi Awards choice magazine is

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Australia's consumer magazine giving

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product reviews a good thing about

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choice magazine is that they are fully

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independent and from time to time I've

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been along to their offices of choice

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magazine - where I'll give them some

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tips on products that we consider to be

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shonky chunky is a great word it means

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dodgy unreliable not trustworthy doesn't

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work that sort of thing this year the

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choice magazine gave a shonky to an

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online booking system via gogo Westpac

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Bank for offering a savings programmed

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aimed at children who haven't even been

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born yet Samsung for their washer/dryer

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which uses an excessive amount of water

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and takes up to 6 hours to dry your

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clothes a vitamin chewable gummy for

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children which was full of sugar cat

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food Coles complete cuisine for cats

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which was shown to be poorly labeled and

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could actually harm your cat cuddly

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sensitive fabric softener which

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performed no better than water

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chunky air bags from Holden Toyota Lexus

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BMW and Mazda and that story is a

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scandal in itself but my favorite was

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the pain eraser and this was awarded a

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00:24:59,529 --> 00:24:56,239
shonky for dubious pain relief claims

546
00:25:01,719 --> 00:24:59,539
ads for the pain eraser pen claimed it

547
00:25:04,719 --> 00:25:01,729
offers drug free pain relief through

548
00:25:08,369 --> 00:25:04,729
quote these signs of electro analgesia

549
00:25:11,139 --> 00:25:08,379
unquote if you call the 1-800 number

550
00:25:13,749 --> 00:25:11,149
advertise a quote trained consultant

551
00:25:15,580 --> 00:25:13,759
unquote we'll call you back to discuss

552
00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:15,590
the details of the product but not

553
00:25:19,419 --> 00:25:17,359
before they check to see if you'll be

554
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,429
paying with Visa or MasterCard

555
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,159
they promise that the pain eraser works

556
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:24,320
on everyone except for those with

557
00:25:29,529 --> 00:25:27,200
pacemakers or who are pregnant for

558
00:25:31,779 --> 00:25:29,539
anything from two hours to two days

559
00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:31,789
after you discharge an electrical

560
00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:34,190
current into your skin up to 40 times

561
00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:35,000
now

562
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:37,280
device is sort of like an overgrown pen

563
00:25:42,460 --> 00:25:39,770
big fat light think of the doctor who's

564
00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:42,470
a sonic screwdriver you put it on your

565
00:25:46,930 --> 00:25:43,700
skin and it gives you a short little

566
00:25:49,690 --> 00:25:46,940
zaps of tiny amounts of electricity I

567
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:49,700
suppose the pain eraser website claims

568
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:51,530
the pen works by exerting pressure on

569
00:25:56,410 --> 00:25:55,250
the quartz crystal which produces a tiny

570
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,420
electric charge

571
00:26:00,330 --> 00:25:58,400
apparently this stimulates the body's

572
00:26:03,670 --> 00:26:00,340
and dolphins to act as a natural

573
00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:03,680
painkiller the item goes on our partners

574
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:05,990
at consumer NZD consumer New Zealand

575
00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:08,000
tested the pain eraser and found it

576
00:26:13,540 --> 00:26:10,390
delivers less energy than a TENS

577
00:26:15,340 --> 00:26:13,550
treatment session dr. Brad McCoy and

578
00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:15,350
he's with the Australian skeptics a

579
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:18,620
Sydney based GP says the pain eraser is

580
00:26:23,470 --> 00:26:21,050
probably good for lighting your stovetop

581
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:23,480
but unlikely to be beneficial for paint

582
00:26:28,570 --> 00:26:26,810
coat any subjective decrease in pain is

583
00:26:31,330 --> 00:26:28,580
more likely to occur from sheer boredom

584
00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:31,340
after clicking the device 30 to 40 times

585
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:33,860
rather than the device itself end quote

586
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he says I caught up with Kate Brown from

587
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choice magazine just after the awards

588
00:26:45,910 --> 00:26:44,360
and also to some other staff from choice

589
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:45,920
who were on hand to dress up in all

590
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:49,310
sorts of weird costumes I'm with Kate

591
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brown Kate

592
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,540
great job hosting partly hosting the

593
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sake serve today a quick word for the

594
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skipping zone podcast listeners the

595
00:27:03,310 --> 00:27:00,710
interesting one from my point of view

596
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:03,320
they're all great being a sceptical

597
00:27:13,630 --> 00:27:06,650
point of view the pain eraser that's my

598
00:27:15,820 --> 00:27:13,640
favorite to be honest I've found friends

599
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:15,830
in New Zealand because I watch a lot

600
00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:18,230
more JSON TV than we do because it's

601
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,030
heavily advertising the day funnily

602
00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:22,640
enough when old people are at home ooh

603
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:25,160
suffer from chronic pain when we looked

604
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:27,110
at it and did some testing it really is

605
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,290
nothing more than a peas are lighter

606
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:32,000
which you might be familiar with if

607
00:27:36,850 --> 00:27:34,250
you've ever let your stovetop or your

608
00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:36,860
barbecue it just creates a little spark

609
00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:38,990
and you can buy them about eight bucks

610
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:42,140
but the painter is the painter is is one

611
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:45,050
hundred and sixty dollars no proof that

612
00:27:50,290 --> 00:27:47,330
it works when I spoke to them on the

613
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:50,300
phone when we purchase one they told me

614
00:27:56,890 --> 00:27:53,690
it releases endorphins I can't say it

615
00:28:00,400 --> 00:27:56,900
did that for me it was a bit like being

616
00:28:02,650 --> 00:28:00,410
stabbed with a pen possibly you could

617
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:02,660
bang your head on the wall to you know

618
00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:03,890
take your mind if your chronic knee pain

619
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,740
or your back pain but for me was just a

620
00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:08,720
blatant ripoff it's a piece of plastic

621
00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:10,520
that you know you could use to light

622
00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:11,960
your barbecue probably and that's about

623
00:28:15,850 --> 00:28:14,120
it I think you could almost start to put

624
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:15,860
together a book one day of all the songs

625
00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:18,530
given to medical devices yeah look you

626
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:20,600
know there's so many it almost felt

627
00:28:24,970 --> 00:28:22,760
unfair to give it to the pain arrays

628
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:24,980
because we do see so many you know

629
00:28:28,510 --> 00:28:26,810
really is very predatory you know like

630
00:28:30,550 --> 00:28:28,520
chronic pain isn't a laughing matter

631
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:30,560
people are desperate they're gonna try

632
00:28:35,650 --> 00:28:32,570
anything and it's just really really

633
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:35,660
unfair Thank You Kate thank you thank

634
00:28:39,310 --> 00:28:37,610
you a couple of people here with chunky

635
00:28:41,170 --> 00:28:39,320
t-shirts on but they look very hard this

636
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:41,180
is for the podcast audience we have a

637
00:28:46,690 --> 00:28:44,510
giant strawberry hello hello and heavily

638
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:46,700
heavily pregnant woman I think it might

639
00:28:50,980 --> 00:28:49,700
be eight children but oddly enough on

640
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:50,990
stage a few minutes ago you weren't

641
00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:52,730
pregnant well I know it's one of life's

642
00:28:57,370 --> 00:28:55,640
miracles now you were here to help

643
00:29:00,040 --> 00:28:57,380
demonstrate the shonky Bank product

644
00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:00,050
aimed at expected parents that's right

645
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:02,750
so you wanted to get $200 if you keep

646
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:04,730
the account for 16 years it's pretty

647
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:07,310
dodgy it's pretty junkeum and your dress

648
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:09,410
is a strawberry for vitamins I think

649
00:29:12,940 --> 00:29:11,210
yeah that's right vitae gummies are

650
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,950
essentially lollies in a packed with

651
00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:14,720
sugar and claimed to be good for teeth

652
00:29:18,570 --> 00:29:17,720
so a pretty dodgy product especially for

653
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kids

654
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well congratulations on another fine

655
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chunky warden you're both look yes

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interesting thank you to choice magazine

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for inviting me along to cover the Xiang

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Keys this year I wonder who will win

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here's Maynard spooky action at a

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[Music]

682
00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:20,179
welcome to astray Museum in the theater

683
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we're only shortly a few months ago or a

684
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month or two ago we were doing The

685
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Skeptical investigators but right now we

686
00:31:31,479 --> 00:31:28,850
here without in Ferguson and friends Tim

687
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:31,489
Ferguson how are you in this now empty

688
00:31:36,369 --> 00:31:33,590
theater dinosaurs dinosaurs dinosaurs

689
00:31:38,879 --> 00:31:36,379
may not we've got dinosaurs rights

690
00:31:41,289 --> 00:31:38,889
paleontology or get out of the house

691
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:41,299
absolutely and everybody likes dinosaurs

692
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including our target audience which is

693
00:31:50,099 --> 00:31:47,779
everybody with Billy and the dinosaurs

694
00:31:53,139 --> 00:31:50,109
which is like it's an orchestral

695
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:53,149
storytelling piece a lot like Peter and

696
00:31:58,599 --> 00:31:55,700
the wolf except with the female

697
00:32:00,669 --> 00:31:58,609
protagonist of young Billy little

698
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:00,679
troublemaking Billy who finds a whole

699
00:32:05,409 --> 00:32:03,529
bunch of dinosaurs Australian dinosaurs

700
00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:05,419
that's right now my favorite version of

701
00:32:09,399 --> 00:32:07,220
Peter and the wolf is the one with Wendy

702
00:32:11,409 --> 00:32:09,409
Carlos and Weird Al Yankovic which is

703
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,419
great do you actually do any playing

704
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:12,799
yourself and this to actually get out

705
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:15,679
any instrumentals spectacular yourself

706
00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:18,799
I play the spoons oh good and I look

707
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:21,830
charming and now you've written this and

708
00:32:25,869 --> 00:32:23,570
you've originally designed it for a full

709
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:25,879
orchestra what are you doing with

710
00:32:30,729 --> 00:32:28,190
instrumentation today well we just have

711
00:32:32,499 --> 00:32:30,739
the electronic recording so all the

712
00:32:34,499 --> 00:32:32,509
instruments sound like the instruments

713
00:32:38,409 --> 00:32:34,509
because they're taken from instruments

714
00:32:40,749 --> 00:32:38,419
so we can have the story being told by

715
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:40,759
me and every once in a while we stop

716
00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:42,769
when we listen to whatever motif

717
00:32:47,289 --> 00:32:45,139
whatever piece of music is appropriate

718
00:32:49,539 --> 00:32:47,299
to whichever dinosaur we've just

719
00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:49,549
introduced now how scientifically

720
00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:51,950
accurate is what you're about to narrate

721
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:53,950
or is it just like the movie Inception

722
00:32:58,599 --> 00:32:56,570
it's totally scientifically accurate

723
00:33:01,289 --> 00:32:58,609
we've had it checked and then

724
00:33:04,419 --> 00:33:01,299
double-checked by the Australian Museum

725
00:33:07,810 --> 00:33:04,429
paleontologists they've gone through it

726
00:33:09,460 --> 00:33:07,820
with a fine toothed dinosaur and so well

727
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:09,470
the minimal how wrong were you

728
00:33:14,529 --> 00:33:11,690
originally I mean like the one you had a

729
00:33:17,859 --> 00:33:14,539
- hand in it they went no no no no yeah

730
00:33:20,499 --> 00:33:17,869
we had but it's a bald - down it's got

731
00:33:23,609 --> 00:33:20,509
like it lizard skin but they said nope

732
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:23,619
technically they said that wasn't around

733
00:33:28,659 --> 00:33:26,480
so yeah we made a few errors just in

734
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:28,669
terms of timelines but you know there

735
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,210
are so many millions of years

736
00:33:33,980 --> 00:33:32,640
who's counting and how the kids reacted

737
00:33:35,780 --> 00:33:33,990
to it because you've run it as a test

738
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:35,790
audience a few times you've done one or

739
00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:38,100
two shows here has it interacting to it

740
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:40,830
well you'll hear today that they do

741
00:33:45,770 --> 00:33:44,190
everything from laughing - screaming you

742
00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:45,780
know when they're asked to scream like

743
00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:48,420
Billy does when she meets the Austral

744
00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:50,030
over Natal which was basically

745
00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:54,150
Australia's equivalent of a t-rex and so

746
00:33:58,670 --> 00:33:56,040
I say you know everybody scream and it's

747
00:34:01,100 --> 00:33:58,680
one thing kids are happy to do at the

748
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,110
drop of a hat is you stop them screaming

749
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:03,840
well that takes a little bit of

750
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:07,170
convincing shushing and we do turn on

751
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:11,790
the fire hoses from above can you see

752
00:34:15,170 --> 00:34:13,410
this app being performed on a big stage

753
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:15,180
with a full orchestra at some stage oh

754
00:34:19,670 --> 00:34:17,370
it's going to happen in Canberra we've

755
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:19,680
got the Canberra Youth Orchestra and

756
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:23,310
France who'll be performing yeah with

757
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,500
the whole full orchestra also with an

758
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:27,780
all abilities orchestra playing along

759
00:34:34,130 --> 00:34:30,150
with them so people with all sorts of

760
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:34,140
physical or intellectual disabilities

761
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:36,810
jumping on stage playing all all the

762
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:41,870
instruments it's very important to the

763
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:46,890
the other creators and myself that we

764
00:34:52,670 --> 00:34:50,280
get people with disabilities involved in

765
00:34:55,370 --> 00:34:52,680
this whole thing mainly because you know

766
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:55,380
it's a giant market of people with

767
00:34:59,960 --> 00:34:57,450
disabilities who pay to come and see

768
00:35:02,510 --> 00:34:59,970
this thing I do not understand why

769
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:02,520
producers haven't worked this out yet

770
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:04,290
yeah of course with the Doug Anthony

771
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:06,090
all-stars that's one set of skills

772
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:08,040
you've written books you do comedy

773
00:35:12,410 --> 00:35:10,050
workshops what do you have to bring to

774
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:12,420
writing for a group of children in a

775
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:14,130
live environment that you haven't had to

776
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:16,740
do before well it's much the same in

777
00:35:21,020 --> 00:35:19,830
fact it's all the same kind of tricks

778
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:21,030
you know you've got to keep people's

779
00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:24,720
attention in a comedy show you can't say

780
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,720
okay here's 90 seconds where there's not

781
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,040
going to be anything funny but some

782
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:32,160
really good messages a live comedy

783
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:35,490
audiences attention span in fact is even

784
00:35:40,780 --> 00:35:37,830
shorter than that of children because a

785
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:40,790
live comedy audience is probably drunk

786
00:35:44,089 --> 00:35:43,740
and and what feedback have you got from

787
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:44,099
the

788
00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:45,630
that you've been able to use when oh

789
00:35:50,329 --> 00:35:48,599
yeah I should do that one kid said more

790
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:50,339
dinosaurs it's like where you go get

791
00:35:55,549 --> 00:35:52,890
more dinosaurs that's what I said you

792
00:35:58,819 --> 00:35:55,559
got create more Australian dinosaurs

793
00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,829
there's a limited number it became quite

794
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:00,660
a heated argument okay

795
00:36:04,009 --> 00:36:02,249
well we'll just sit back and we'll see

796
00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:04,019
how the kids enjoy it do you fear the

797
00:36:09,499 --> 00:36:06,630
children or fear their parents more no

798
00:36:11,779 --> 00:36:09,509
we don't fear anybody today I'll by the

799
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:11,789
way I should say in the show today we

800
00:36:16,999 --> 00:36:14,940
have Jeff Willis who is the composer of

801
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:17,009
the music for billion the dinosaurs and

802
00:36:22,789 --> 00:36:19,410
his brother David Willis who is the

803
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:22,799
creator of our education package for

804
00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:25,170
schools or you know any group that wants

805
00:36:30,289 --> 00:36:28,140
to put the piece on there are identical

806
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:30,299
twins so I'm never quite sure which one

807
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,529
I'm talking to but it doesn't matter

808
00:36:37,009 --> 00:36:33,900
because they think with the same hive

809
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:37,019
brain it's like being in Star Trek yeah

810
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:39,089
I just think of them as those guys from

811
00:36:44,299 --> 00:36:42,210
Terminator yeah yeah yeah what was those

812
00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:44,309
people called the blerg you know they

813
00:36:49,099 --> 00:36:46,920
were they were unstoppable who were they

814
00:36:52,729 --> 00:36:49,109
there were arrabal yeah yeah the Borg

815
00:36:55,789 --> 00:36:52,739
I'll prefer the bloke I think the big

816
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:55,799
sort of describes their fashion choices

817
00:37:01,999 --> 00:36:58,140
better but yeah it's like hanging around

818
00:37:03,739 --> 00:37:02,009
the bog and of course Tim's just the

819
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:03,749
attractive pretty face of the whole

820
00:37:06,769 --> 00:37:05,249
Billy and the dinosaurs thing we have

821
00:37:09,289 --> 00:37:06,779
the two guys that make the whole thing

822
00:37:12,319 --> 00:37:09,299
go who've we got here I'm David Willis

823
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:12,329
and I'm Jeff Willis and Jeff you're the

824
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:14,130
musical Lily audiovisuals which me too

825
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:16,049
you know I'm the composer of building

826
00:37:20,809 --> 00:37:18,089
the dinosaurs yeah we got together with

827
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:20,819
Tim Ferguson five and a half years ago

828
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:23,700
and we decided to write about something

829
00:37:28,339 --> 00:37:26,249
that's exciting for kids and we thought

830
00:37:30,499 --> 00:37:28,349
of a number of different topics but

831
00:37:32,029 --> 00:37:30,509
eventually came up with Dinosaurs

832
00:37:33,709 --> 00:37:32,039
yeah and now have you felt about how

833
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:33,719
it's gone so far this has been an

834
00:37:36,709 --> 00:37:34,619
amazing week

835
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:36,719
everybody's reacted well we've got kids

836
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:39,210
who were two years old right up to a 12

837
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:42,119
or 13 and of course the adults right up

838
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:44,460
to whatever age they've absolutely

839
00:37:48,709 --> 00:37:47,400
enjoyed it they've loved it and have you

840
00:37:51,170 --> 00:37:48,719
found what have you needed ear plugs for

841
00:37:51,709 --> 00:37:51,180
the kids screaming it now with where I'm

842
00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:51,719
a teacher

843
00:37:54,019 --> 00:37:53,489
we're both we're both teachers when used

844
00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:54,029
to us

845
00:37:58,819 --> 00:37:56,579
okay absolutely and I'll tell you what

846
00:37:59,749 --> 00:37:58,829
though we the first show we did this

847
00:38:01,699 --> 00:37:59,759
week

848
00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:01,709
it wasn't the kids that were worried

849
00:38:06,229 --> 00:38:03,029
about there was one parent in the front

850
00:38:09,319 --> 00:38:06,239
row if there's a lovely happy ending and

851
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:09,329
one of the parents had went back and she

852
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:11,609
started bawling her eyes out Wow

853
00:38:16,249 --> 00:38:13,169
so there's something about that end

854
00:38:24,949 --> 00:38:16,259
that's wonderful the moral of the story

855
00:38:26,299 --> 00:38:24,959
I think all the show was terrible have a

856
00:38:27,439 --> 00:38:26,309
good show today now how many people were

857
00:38:29,749 --> 00:38:27,449
going to have any how many kids in

858
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:29,759
parents it's about 120 I think I think

859
00:38:35,059 --> 00:38:32,579
it'sit's about 120 and that will mean if

860
00:38:37,939 --> 00:38:35,069
we'll have a sellout show today in the

861
00:38:39,229 --> 00:38:37,949
last two days total sellout cool okay

862
00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:39,239
well I look forward to hearing what's

863
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:41,260
like thanks man out thanks man

864
00:38:57,559 --> 00:38:55,549
Parvati great to see you yes to value

865
00:39:03,940 --> 00:38:57,569
about dinosaurs they want to hear about

866
00:39:06,670 --> 00:39:03,950
the dog saw Billy bass the dinosaurs yes

867
00:39:08,569 --> 00:39:06,680
okay well we're going to tell the story

868
00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:08,579
which is called

869
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:11,190
building at the dinosaurs and I'll tell

870
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:13,410
the story and if you can hear the music

871
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:17,190
and you'll see pictures and the risk is

872
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:19,890
in your imagination all the lies the

873
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:40,610
[Applause]

874
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:47,210
[Music]

875
00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:51,030
[Applause]

876
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:54,270
[Music]

877
00:40:02,070 --> 00:39:58,560
[Applause]

878
00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:02,080
[Music]

879
00:40:12,260 --> 00:40:08,980
[Applause]

880
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:14,640
tarah who'd you bring along to the show

881
00:40:19,230 --> 00:40:16,930
my daughter Amelia Amelia how are ya

882
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:19,240
good did you have a favourite bit of the

883
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:22,450
show what bit was that did you enjoy

884
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:29,290
screaming okay yeah well did you think

885
00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:30,430
she enjoyed the show she absolutely

886
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:32,080
loved it was great very interactive

887
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:34,900
which is good for that age did you do a

888
00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:36,310
bit of screaming and running as well for

889
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:38,440
screaming and running yeah okay this

890
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:40,270
gives parents an excuse to act up -

891
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:42,310
exactly yeah there's lots of fun really

892
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:43,750
going there beautiful we love dinosaurs

893
00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:49,750
in our house who doesn't exactly and a

894
00:40:53,310 --> 00:40:51,700
quick wrap-up there Tim so how was this

895
00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:53,320
show you've done four in a row here at

896
00:40:56,339 --> 00:40:55,000
the Australian Museum you've given them

897
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:56,349
science you've given them screaming

898
00:40:59,820 --> 00:40:57,520
you'll be giving them running you've

899
00:41:02,910 --> 00:40:59,830
given them nightmares oh it's been great

900
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:02,920
fun I think the kids all had a good time

901
00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:05,290
we had a dinosaur turned up and that was

902
00:41:09,810 --> 00:41:07,900
very exciting and it's great to get some

903
00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:09,820
music out there for the young audience

904
00:41:13,530 --> 00:41:11,500
so you must be looking forward to doing

905
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,540
the full show in Canberra them oh yeah

906
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:15,280
camera is gonna be huge will have a full

907
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:17,380
symphony orchestra and all abilities

908
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:21,430
orchestra and we'll have bits of

909
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:24,210
dinosaurs and hopefully you know real

910
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:26,200
dinosaurs will actually you know

911
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,660
unemployed NIDA graduates dressed as

912
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:30,400
dinosaurs

913
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:53,050
[Music]

914
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:55,640
today this is dr. Karl Karl Chris was he

915
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,240
proud to be skeptic and you can find out

916
00:42:15,020 --> 00:41:59,520
more about me at dr. Karl calm and get

917
00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:15,030
lots of free stuff there as well let's

918
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:17,820
all take this with a grain of salt is

919
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:25,650
around second massing a Polydor oh very

920
00:42:30,859 --> 00:42:29,220
nice to meet you in in Breslau the

921
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:30,869
conference has just ended what's your

922
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:33,210
impression so what's very interesting

923
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:35,460
and there were many interesting speakers

924
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:37,490
and as well as always it's always a

925
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,310
pleasure to be around people that have

926
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:44,720
the same interests and same passions and

927
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:48,900
and can share ideas and strategies on

928
00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:53,359
how to address the irrational and

929
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:55,350
superstitions to the science so it's

930
00:43:02,599 --> 00:42:59,280
always a pleasure you are the president

931
00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:02,609
of the hexagon yeah the executive

932
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:04,950
director executive director chica and

933
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:07,410
chica has been so it's always Italian

934
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:09,330
schedules and you've been around for

935
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,890
quite a while quite a while

936
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:13,020
it's almost 30 years in a couple of

937
00:43:20,090 --> 00:43:16,260
years it's our 30th anniversary and can

938
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:20,100
you tell us a bit about me I was born in

939
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:24,720
1989 from an idea by an Italian science

940
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:27,720
journal is peer Angela he's very famous

941
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:29,369
in Italy cannot walk in the street

942
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:32,250
without people stopping him and really

943
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:37,500
forming a crowd so he since he is so

944
00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:41,609
popular he was able to gather all big

945
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:43,859
names in science in Italy and culture

946
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:46,290
including Umberto Eco and Nobel Prize

947
00:43:51,740 --> 00:43:48,810
winners who were supporters of this idea

948
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:51,750
of forming a committee to investigate at

949
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,130
the time

950
00:44:00,240 --> 00:43:56,800
paranormal claims of course during these

951
00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:00,250
30 years the name has changed the last P

952
00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:03,400
of Chicopee is not longer paranormal but

953
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:05,380
it's super science because the

954
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,740
paranormal even though it's still around

955
00:44:15,300 --> 00:44:10,000
it's always less of an interest

956
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:15,310
absolutely this this group of people has

957
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:18,790
grown and above all what has grown is

958
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:22,960
the interest in in our work from the

959
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:26,260
media and from the public who've always

960
00:44:33,780 --> 00:44:30,370
been able in a way or another to be in

961
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:33,790
the news so to keep the interest and so

962
00:44:39,450 --> 00:44:37,930
we have many activities going on almost

963
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:39,460
every moment because we have local

964
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,090
groups all over Italy that are lectures

965
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:46,240
and meetings and we always have some

966
00:44:53,580 --> 00:44:50,110
activities going we test claims in in

967
00:44:57,630 --> 00:44:53,590
laboratory or whatever it is needed so

968
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,640
we try to be as diverse as possible with

969
00:45:02,520 --> 00:44:59,680
the experts in many fields and can be

970
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:02,530
contacted and and involved in an

971
00:45:07,230 --> 00:45:05,410
investigation or whatever but our main

972
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:07,240
goal and now we have started a

973
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:09,190
collaboration with Ministry of Culture

974
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:11,530
and education in Italy where we are

975
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:14,920
going to be able to help teachers and

976
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:20,290
school have a set of instruments in

977
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:25,690
order to teach kids how to approach to

978
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:28,690
the news for example and how to have a

979
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,690
few elementary information on how to

980
00:45:37,470 --> 00:45:34,240
distinguish between what could be faking

981
00:45:41,490 --> 00:45:37,480
what to be real so how to address the

982
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:41,500
sources and so on so that we're working

983
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:44,950
so the names like what how did you how

984
00:45:50,070 --> 00:45:46,500
did you become involved with chicken

985
00:45:53,310 --> 00:45:50,080
because in the beginning

986
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:53,320
because when I was a very young guy read

987
00:45:57,540 --> 00:45:55,570
the book by Pierre Angela it was about

988
00:46:02,190 --> 00:45:57,550
an inverse a critical investigation on

989
00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:02,200
parapsychology and the main figure from

990
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:05,350
that book was James Randi so I was

991
00:46:11,580 --> 00:46:08,950
fascinated by this whole personality and

992
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:11,590
the soul approach the scientific method

993
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:14,290
look to me something so fascinating and

994
00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:18,010
in a way of approaching life so clear

995
00:46:23,850 --> 00:46:22,600
and reasonable that I was some as I said

996
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:23,860
so passionate about the thing that I

997
00:46:27,330 --> 00:46:25,450
wrote a letter at the time there was no

998
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:27,340
internet I wrote a letter to both of

999
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:29,920
them - dear Angela and James Randi just

1000
00:46:33,150 --> 00:46:31,510
thanking them and hoping that someday I

1001
00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:33,160
could meet them and thank them in person

1002
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:35,800
and hoping maybe that a committee like

1003
00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:38,650
that was in America's psychopath attack

1004
00:46:44,310 --> 00:46:41,350
could be formed in Italy as well and to

1005
00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:44,320
my surprise they both reply Carranza

1006
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:46,660
wanted to meet me because he was

1007
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:49,330
interested in a young person so

1008
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:51,340
fascinated by the subject and he also

1009
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,930
had this idea of forming a committee

1010
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:54,480
like psycho

1011
00:46:59,380 --> 00:46:56,730
and eventually Randy came to Italy

1012
00:47:03,500 --> 00:46:59,390
because it was friend with Piero and

1013
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:03,510
they invited me and so they after

1014
00:47:08,780 --> 00:47:06,089
spending a few days together they asked

1015
00:47:11,299 --> 00:47:08,790
me if I was interested in going in the

1016
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:11,309
US and study with Randy and be his

1017
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:15,180
apprentice in order to learn Christ and

1018
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:16,859
then bring back the experience in order

1019
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:21,359
to start she cut and swore in it so

1020
00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:23,819
that's a long time ago yeah so you've

1021
00:47:29,539 --> 00:47:26,790
been the director of all that time no no

1022
00:47:32,299 --> 00:47:29,549
there was another director I was exempt

1023
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:32,309
I was following investigations for one

1024
00:47:37,789 --> 00:47:33,900
time then I was the director of the

1025
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:37,799
magazine and now I'm the director of the

1026
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:42,270
committee okay what are the main current

1027
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:44,010
activities that you're involved in or

1028
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:50,970
maybe a few well in chica as I said one

1029
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,970
of the main thing is this collaboration

1030
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,099
we have the middle Ministry of Education

1031
00:48:02,100 --> 00:47:58,240
and yeah

1032
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,110
and university and I just want to

1033
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:03,520
actually focus on that come on because

1034
00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:04,450
this is something that we've been

1035
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:07,000
thinking about for a while critical

1036
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,170
thinking is obviously something that's

1037
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:11,200
told indirectly incidentally in history

1038
00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:14,670
and geography and as as in English so

1039
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,260
but we've been thinking about how we

1040
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:18,880
could not critical thinking in schools

1041
00:48:22,260 --> 00:48:20,290
in a way that is more direct where

1042
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:22,270
people actually their children actually

1043
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:24,250
aware that what they're doing is

1044
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:26,650
critical thinking not just indirectly

1045
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:29,590
but directly taught the terms taught

1046
00:48:35,609 --> 00:48:31,780
about logical fallacies that have just

1047
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:35,619
taught to assess things when while

1048
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,290
knowing that that's what they do

1049
00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:40,480
so I'm really interested in in maybe

1050
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:42,700
getting a more detailed perspective well

1051
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:45,250
you know we have tried for a long time

1052
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:46,380
to do this

1053
00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:49,890
we've always been lecturing in schools

1054
00:48:56,340 --> 00:48:54,580
occasionally with with no plan for the

1055
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:56,350
whole country and just whatever they

1056
00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:58,050
call this with why I'm somebody that

1057
00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:00,970
doesn't make a real change on Facebook

1058
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:03,580
or some single people maybe some single

1059
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:07,030
kids but the idea of having the program

1060
00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:10,450
that the school have to follow every

1061
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:13,540
year include this subject was something

1062
00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:16,000
that was very important to us because we

1063
00:49:20,849 --> 00:49:17,980
think it is important to investigate the

1064
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:20,859
claims to be behind kind of frauds and

1065
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:23,530
whatever it may be but you know that you

1066
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,310
know that change because - they want to

1067
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:29,440
believe but what is very useful is to

1068
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:32,230
give young people the instruments to

1069
00:49:38,340 --> 00:49:35,770
find out by themselves they can trust

1070
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,350
something or not so we've always worked

1071
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:40,720
toward this goal and finally we've been

1072
00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:43,930
able to define it people interested in

1073
00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:47,590
the ministry in our approach and so it's

1074
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:51,220
going to be starting next year so we are

1075
00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:52,720
just working out the details

1076
00:49:57,930 --> 00:49:55,270
how do you I mean in in some sense

1077
00:49:58,650 --> 00:49:57,940
something like this the curriculum is

1078
00:50:01,320 --> 00:49:58,660
the easy part

1079
00:50:04,109 --> 00:50:01,330
sometimes inner with a lot of topics the

1080
00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:04,119
curriculum is that that's the goal or

1081
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:06,070
the content is the difficult part here

1082
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:07,570
the content is not the issue it's

1083
00:50:14,060 --> 00:50:11,050
convincing schools politicians whoever

1084
00:50:17,010 --> 00:50:14,070
you know administrators bureaucrats that

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what you are offering is something of

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00:50:23,289 --> 00:50:19,750
value is the main issue

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00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:23,299
how how did you go about doing that as I

1088
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:25,010
said it was not easy because it was many

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00:50:32,740 --> 00:50:30,319
years so what was it I guess I don't

1090
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:32,750
perhaps every little detail but I'm just

1091
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,130
wondering whether the focus was probably

1092
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,440
multi-pronged theory but you know

1093
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,119
sometimes you go to you find a

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00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:43,520
sympathetic politician and that opens

1095
00:50:48,579 --> 00:50:46,280
the door for you or sometimes it's it

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00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:48,589
comes you know - yeah groundswell and is

1097
00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:51,609
that what changed is the perception that

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00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:55,160
politicians administrators have of the

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00:51:01,299 --> 00:50:57,140
work that we do for example because fake

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00:51:03,549 --> 00:51:01,309
news have become a huge problem in Italy

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00:51:07,530 --> 00:51:03,559
as well as all over the world yeah and

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suddenly we find out that dealing with

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00:51:12,789 --> 00:51:10,670
people making false statements is a real

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00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:12,799
problem because it can damage the lives

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00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,410
of so many people's look at vaccines for

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00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:17,839
example and they had to promote a law

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00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:22,609
making it mandatory to have kids Baxter

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is otherwise it was growing

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[Music]

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00:51:34,180 --> 00:51:30,470
movement anti-vaccine so since this

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00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:34,190
became quite a big problem they probably

1112
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:36,890
started to look around who was the

1113
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:39,710
experts who were the experts in this

1114
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:41,960
field and they found that networks back

1115
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:43,670
wait for the world of this number

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00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:45,680
president what Kiera and there was a lot

1117
00:51:50,170 --> 00:51:48,290
of people concerned about this and has

1118
00:51:52,450 --> 00:51:50,180
been concerned for so many years and

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00:51:54,130 --> 00:51:52,460
they contacted us and we started working

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together that is an amazing achievement

1121
00:52:00,400 --> 00:51:59,150
to have them come to you I think look

1122
00:52:02,740 --> 00:52:00,410
it's a it's the kind of thing that

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happens for many many years as work on

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00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:04,160
making putting yourself in the right

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00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:05,930
position one final question because

1126
00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:10,160
Randy's is yeah what what is the next

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00:52:17,470 --> 00:52:12,950
step for you well this is going to be

1128
00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:17,480
very engaging for all of us but also we

1129
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:20,870
are approaching our work in in a more

1130
00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:25,070
open way which is putting the action

1131
00:52:29,110 --> 00:52:27,080
more on the scientific method and our

1132
00:52:31,930 --> 00:52:29,120
science because we find that you can

1133
00:52:35,350 --> 00:52:31,940
reach more people like this way for

1134
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,360
example this year next week from when we

1135
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:37,040
are speaking that is going to be in

1136
00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:40,130
Italy our first checkup fest which is

1137
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,160
open to the city what we are holding it

1138
00:52:47,590 --> 00:52:45,920
and so far it's the the largest

1139
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:47,600
attendance that we have ever had which

1140
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:50,810
is 800 people subscribing in order to

1141
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:52,810
participate but we are also going to

1142
00:52:58,930 --> 00:52:56,720
involve many other person that are not

1143
00:53:01,780 --> 00:52:58,940
participating to the Congress that say

1144
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:01,790
but making make may participate to a

1145
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:04,610
open conference or we are going into the

1146
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:05,910
schools

1147
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:08,460
in workshops and laboratories with kids

1148
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,310
and an exhibition on optical illusion

1149
00:53:16,850 --> 00:53:14,880
some many things in order to to have

1150
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:16,860
people talk about this subject in many

1151
00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:18,210
different ways and I think that we're

1152
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:20,220
going more and more the work that

1153
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:24,900
direction very good in there while we

1154
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,700
were sitting here talking James Randi

1155
00:53:31,700 --> 00:53:29,400
joined us hello Randy hello there

1156
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:31,710
I've noticed that you've in the past

1157
00:53:36,580 --> 00:53:33,810
couple of months you've become active

1158
00:53:40,070 --> 00:53:36,590
within the skeptical movement

1159
00:53:44,660 --> 00:53:43,430
this is obviously your how many trips

1160
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,670
that we had to Europe do you even know

1161
00:53:48,830 --> 00:53:46,160
do you even know the number

1162
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:48,840
countless I'm harmless I'm going around

1163
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:50,610
the world all the time I mean I know

1164
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,170
you've been to Australia about five or

1165
00:53:59,240 --> 00:53:54,720
six times play at least oh yeah at least

1166
00:54:02,060 --> 00:53:59,250
so I mean you've been to 2/3 of our

1167
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:02,070
conferences so that's just that's three

1168
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:04,230
trips just just that a lot a close

1169
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:06,330
friend invited Jake Smith of course and

1170
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:09,330
Philip Adams of people I respect very

1171
00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:12,720
highly yeah and and of course these are

1172
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:15,390
people who are still active with the not

1173
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:16,770
necessarily directly with it with

1174
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:18,420
Australian skeptics but the active with

1175
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:20,250
the spreading spreading the message I

1176
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:23,130
understand this this plan for this to be

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00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:25,230
your last trip to Europe is that that's

1178
00:54:30,590 --> 00:54:27,210
something somebody said it's the latest

1179
00:54:33,610 --> 00:54:30,600
trip it's always true isn't it that's

1180
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:33,620
challenging and you know I might I

1181
00:54:40,330 --> 00:54:37,670
of 89 I think I have an expectation of a

1182
00:54:44,050 --> 00:54:40,340
few more years my family history showed

1183
00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:44,060
me that my grandparents live into their

1184
00:54:51,220 --> 00:54:48,080
very late 80s and into their nineties in

1185
00:54:54,340 --> 00:54:51,230
a couple of cases so I'm encouraged by

1186
00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:54,350
that I don't want to tend to die too

1187
00:55:00,850 --> 00:55:00,160
yeah well you're obviously working on on

1188
00:55:05,380 --> 00:55:00,860
a book right now

1189
00:55:06,820 --> 00:55:05,390
yes book yeah and I understand that at

1190
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,830
the moment you're what you're doing is

1191
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:08,720
you're whittling it down by dudes it's

1192
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:10,970
too big and yes it's gotta be cut down

1193
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,110
someone but I'll do it very gently yeah

1194
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:16,640
we've already heard that you don't know

1195
00:55:20,770 --> 00:55:19,010
when he's coming out no but is there

1196
00:55:22,810 --> 00:55:20,780
like a time scale is it within the next

1197
00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:22,820
with the coming year yes I would say

1198
00:55:29,110 --> 00:55:25,790
within another year yeah okay you've

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retired from the from active duty within

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00:55:36,610 --> 00:55:33,680
the jrf a few years ago almost nine I

1201
00:55:38,110 --> 00:55:36,620
can't really Merrill all together they

1202
00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:38,120
just sort of step to the side

1203
00:55:42,970 --> 00:55:40,580
momentarily to get some sleep over down

1204
00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:42,980
there and then I write back him again

1205
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:45,500
so what are the plans apart from the

1206
00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:46,520
book what you're working on what are

1207
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:48,590
your other plans for let's say for the

1208
00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:52,220
next 30 months well I have a lot of

1209
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:54,440
obligations that I have personal

1210
00:55:58,109 --> 00:55:56,049
obligations that I have

1211
00:56:00,749 --> 00:55:58,119
friends some of whom were in the

1212
00:56:03,959 --> 00:56:00,759
skeptical movement and I've got to

1213
00:56:07,049 --> 00:56:03,969
fulfill those but it's far too

1214
00:56:09,749 --> 00:56:07,059
complicated a thing to cut down into a

1215
00:56:13,529 --> 00:56:09,759
short discussion I can assure you

1216
00:56:17,849 --> 00:56:13,539
we're going to be at Las Vegas or psycho

1217
00:56:20,699 --> 00:56:17,859
oh yes various from Saigon

1218
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:20,709
about this it's coming up soon yeah I

1219
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:22,630
guess I'd better get ready but I forgot

1220
00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:23,410
all about that

1221
00:56:28,349 --> 00:56:26,380
oh yeah sure no I can't forget about

1222
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:28,359
these things I have them on my calendar

1223
00:56:33,930 --> 00:56:32,079
and that extra thread during the fact

1224
00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:33,940
that they're coming closer and closer

1225
00:56:39,660 --> 00:56:37,660
every day and I'm getting closer to the

1226
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:39,670
end of my days as well

1227
00:56:44,579 --> 00:56:41,529
so I hope the two of them don't call it

1228
00:56:46,109 --> 00:56:44,589
tight so for that this conference you

1229
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:46,119
mean I noticed the you've attended

1230
00:56:49,859 --> 00:56:48,190
almost the entire three days

1231
00:56:51,959 --> 00:56:49,869
and I was just wondering what's your

1232
00:56:54,959 --> 00:56:51,969
impression is of this European library

1233
00:56:58,890 --> 00:56:54,969
impressed and not having been to the

1234
00:57:02,670 --> 00:56:58,900
Poland before and in fact not very much

1235
00:57:04,529 --> 00:57:02,680
in this part of the world really I see

1236
00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:04,539
that I've missed a great deal because I

1237
00:57:09,479 --> 00:57:06,910
actually had very interesting contrast

1238
00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:09,489
in some of the buildings or buildings

1239
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:19,740
attractive I would say political views

1240
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:22,700
I'm pleased to see the wave woman who's

1241
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:25,730
come along I'm very very pleased and

1242
00:57:31,330 --> 00:57:29,090
impressed there is one more thing I

1243
00:57:35,170 --> 00:57:31,340
would ask you to to do if you don't mind

1244
00:57:36,730 --> 00:57:35,180
before we finish that is say this is

1245
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:36,740
James Randi and you're listening to the

1246
00:57:43,660 --> 00:57:40,190
skeptic sound hi this is James Randi and

1247
00:57:45,250 --> 00:57:43,670
you're listening at skeptic so and maybe

1248
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:45,260
if you just want to give a personal

1249
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:46,970
message to Richard because he will be

1250
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:48,560
editing this so he will even if he

1251
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:50,330
chooses to edit it out he will hear your

1252
00:57:57,730 --> 00:57:52,190
personal message well Richard try to

1253
00:57:59,400 --> 00:57:57,740
make my voice is Randy thank you very

1254
00:58:11,130 --> 00:57:59,410
much it's a pleasure

1255
00:58:17,350 --> 00:58:14,680
hi everyone this is Susan from the GSO W

1256
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:17,360
project and I'm in Frankfurt Germany

1257
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:20,270
right at the moment with the about time

1258
00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:23,570
tour and we've stopped in at a pub

1259
00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:28,940
called albatross and help address and I

1260
00:58:34,210 --> 00:58:31,400
have we've met up with one of the

1261
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:34,220
speakers from the conference and I'll

1262
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:36,490
let you talk to him right now and he is

1263
00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:39,110
his lecture was quite humorous I think

1264
00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:40,600
it was the last one at the conference

1265
00:58:46,270 --> 00:58:44,630
almost the last one at the conference oh

1266
00:58:50,170 --> 00:58:46,280
yeah that's right Randy was afterwards

1267
00:58:52,210 --> 00:58:50,180
and we talked to and home did a lecture

1268
00:58:53,650 --> 00:58:52,220
on quantum and it was quite funny and we

1269
00:58:56,290 --> 00:58:53,660
really kind of needed something funny

1270
00:58:58,090 --> 00:58:56,300
for for the end so it was terrific

1271
00:59:01,300 --> 00:58:58,100
I laughed quite a bit at some of the

1272
00:59:03,970 --> 00:59:01,310
examples he put up so all right well my

1273
00:59:06,190 --> 00:59:03,980
name is Hana I'm from the frankfurt area

1274
00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:06,200
in germany and I'm originally a

1275
00:59:10,450 --> 00:59:08,660
physicist and have been working as a

1276
00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:10,460
management consultant for a little over

1277
00:59:16,590 --> 00:59:12,540
15 years now and

1278
00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:16,600
basically came back to doing some

1279
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,430
physics through the skeptical scene and

1280
00:59:23,580 --> 00:59:21,280
recently wrote a book called La Diva

1281
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:23,590
Bunton Clarke relative quantum nonsense

1282
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:25,210
and I have a blog about that too which

1283
00:59:32,310 --> 00:59:29,520
is all in German so unfortunately it's

1284
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:32,320
there's not much there in English so far

1285
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:36,400
but yeah that's what I basically did not

1286
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:40,290
too recently and deal with all kinds of

1287
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:43,450
nonsense that is justified with quantum

1288
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:45,130
physics or with a theory of relativity

1289
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:50,130
and of a pseudo physics concepts that

1290
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:55,330
might link into that so this conference

1291
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:57,490
is over we're all a little tired you've

1292
01:00:01,680 --> 00:59:59,940
had a day or two right to kind of relax

1293
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:01,690
what were the highlights of the

1294
01:00:08,070 --> 01:00:05,230
conference for you the highlights of the

1295
01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:08,080
conference for me were well on the one

1296
01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:13,420
hand the The Exorcism documentary which

1297
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:20,760
was really creepy really touching and

1298
01:00:30,050 --> 01:00:24,790
then everything that has to do with with

1299
01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:30,060
the the psychology of pseudoscience and

1300
01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:32,590
psychology and scepticism which i think

1301
01:00:41,310 --> 01:00:38,260
is always the most interesting topic to

1302
01:00:43,860 --> 01:00:41,320
me because it's just not just about

1303
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:43,870
debunking things it's more about why

1304
01:00:48,330 --> 01:00:46,900
people believe things that's that's I

1305
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:48,340
think that's much more interesting for

1306
01:00:56,010 --> 01:00:52,570
us skeptics too when we're getting away

1307
01:00:59,490 --> 01:00:56,020
from the purely consumer protection part

1308
01:01:01,590 --> 01:00:59,500
of what we're doing any takeaways did

1309
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:01,600
you learn something new that you I mean

1310
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:03,730
besides exorcism there something that

1311
01:01:06,690 --> 01:01:04,510
you

1312
01:01:08,550 --> 01:01:06,700
he came home and he said oh my gosh I

1313
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:08,560
had no idea that was fascinating

1314
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:11,370
I really didn't know about that before

1315
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:15,130
well besides that exorcism I I would say

1316
01:01:21,940 --> 01:01:18,160
the fact that exorcisms are such a big

1317
01:01:26,589 --> 01:01:21,950
issue in Poland is really the

1318
01:01:28,569 --> 01:01:26,599
main surprise for me and that because

1319
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:28,579
you don't really hear much of that in

1320
01:01:34,180 --> 01:01:31,490
Germany and so that was that was

1321
01:01:36,730 --> 01:01:34,190
shocking and that was surprising and

1322
01:01:40,030 --> 01:01:36,740
that was really the one that stands out

1323
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:40,040
to me at the point at this point thank

1324
01:01:42,680 --> 01:02:01,710
[Music]

1325
01:02:06,820 --> 01:02:04,060
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1326
01:02:09,940 --> 01:02:06,830
zone now we've had another another

1327
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:09,950
contribution via the voice bite app and

1328
01:02:15,610 --> 01:02:13,550
this one's from Canada hey Richard its

1329
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:15,620
Tamara from Edmonton Alberta Canada

1330
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:17,660
what sort of paranormal field were you

1331
01:02:22,210 --> 01:02:19,750
interested in when you were younger

1332
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:22,220
thanks Tamara that's a really good

1333
01:02:28,270 --> 01:02:25,370
question I think in the very early days

1334
01:02:30,130 --> 01:02:28,280
it was Bigfoot when I was a little kid

1335
01:02:33,490 --> 01:02:30,140
that was all the rage that was

1336
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:33,500
everywhere that was on TV and lots of

1337
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,510
mystery and books and Bigfoot Bigfoot

1338
01:02:40,270 --> 01:02:38,240
Bigfoot yeah but then not long after it

1339
01:02:43,300 --> 01:02:40,280
really changed to UFOs partly I think

1340
01:02:45,730 --> 01:02:43,310
because of the movie Close Encounters of

1341
01:02:50,980 --> 01:02:45,740
the Third Kind which was a huge smash

1342
01:02:53,050 --> 01:02:50,990
and Star Wars and those listeners who

1343
01:02:57,580 --> 01:02:53,060
were around in the late 70s will

1344
01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:57,590
remember that Australia especially and I

1345
01:03:01,690 --> 01:02:59,030
guess the United States went bonkers

1346
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:01,700
went crazy for UFOs they were just every

1347
01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:03,890
and we expected they would land any day

1348
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in fact I've got a video up in my

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cupboard I'm looking at it now a DVD

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which says something like if I can see

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UFOs it's has begun or they're already

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here or and that was the late seventies

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so yeah Bigfoot to begin with and then

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UFOs and then I think the rest you know

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psychics and water divining and all that

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sort of stuff thanks very much for your

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contribution tamara and i look forward

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to seeing you i hope in los face that

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saikhan coming up in a couple of weeks

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or the skeptic from africa leo egg way

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